| Excerpt: (17:15-19:20) Mijal: …I think I’m saying that generally I am nervous, or I disagree with the attitude that makes us feel like we have no agency in making things better. Noam: But see, Mijal, I’m gonna push you on this now. Let’s use racism. Is it the black community’s job to end racism from people who are white, who have whatever hangups they have or implicit biases they have or whatever issues? Is it the black community’s job? Or is it the white community’s job to say, you know what we’re gonna do? We’re going to make sure that we teach the history of racism in our schools. We’re going to make sure that we teach the history of slavery in our schools. We’re going to teach the history of Jim Crow to the American audience in the schools. We’re going to teach a history of apartheid in our schools, and we’re going to learn the history very clearly. And so it might be, to use an ed psych term, internal locus of control. Our internal locus of control can be to go to these major private schools across the globe, in major public schools across the globe and say, hey listen, we really think you need to be teaching about this in your schools. But then it’s the school’s job to do it, not the Jewish community’s job to solve this. Mijal: Yeah, I think what you asked is provocative. I don’t know if I would ever say it’s this community’s job to end racism or xenophobia against it. And at the same time, if you think about the civil rights movement in America, and if you think about the leadership and the heroism of civil rights warriors who really reshaped America, even though it shouldn’t have been their burden, right, they led movements and they were able to change things. So I think if they kind of said, well, this is never gonna change, then things might not have changed. So I think we need to walk this fine line between internalizing kind of victim blaming and between putting ourselves in a place in which we feel we have no agency. |
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